HERE'S MUDKISS IN UR EYE! - LEESON INTERVIEW BY LORRAINE.
Bridging the gap between traditional Irish music and Punk rock, Neck certainly produce one of the best rackets around in my book! Gayly (no reflection on their sexuality) marauding through almost a decade of wanton abandon psycho-ceilidh style, three albums, a charted single and a motion picture performance, I was pretty excited at the prospect of interviewing lead singer and guitarist Leeson O'Keeffe before Christmas. Holloway Roads' Big Red proved a little too loud so we opted for Leesons’ local......on quiz night!
Lorraine - Well Leeson, Neck?! It's a pretty strange name isn't it! Where'd it come from?
Leeson -It comes from....when we first started out we were basically a bunch of chancers. There's an old saying back in Ireland "You've a neck like a jockeys' bollocks", and what happened was, a mate from Strabane, CountyTyrone, and a mate from Waterford and myself, we were punks or hardcore rockers. We used to get drunk together and I'd played in The Popes by this time, and I had a vision anyway while playing with The Popes, I wanted to do more of that sort of music. I'd started writing Irish music while with The Popes. One of the songs on the Sod'em and Begorrah album is the first Irish song I ever wrote. I'd tried to write Irish music before and it hadn't worked really. The reason I got chose to play in Shane's' band is because the punk bands I'd played in, I always did an Irish ballad at the start of the set. I was always proud of my Irish background and we used to do a punk version of a Pogues song at the end of the set. I got noticed by Shane's' manager at the time. He used to be a promoter of punk gigs in FinsburyPark. I got asked to play in The Popes, it was incredible, although to paraphrase Dickens, 'it was the best of times, it was the worst of times’, cause I was getting paid to get drunk in Dublin which was amazing ‘cause normally I’d have to pay for a flight or a ferry to go and see my family, but it wasn't easy being around some of the things that went on in the band either. Anyway, getting back to Neck, we had this idea to put this band together. We were getting drunk, blah blah....you know, and we thought a good way of getting booze for free and perhaps meeting girls was by playing in a band playing Irish music with a punk thing going on as well, but we weren't earning a lot of money so we were blagging everything really. One of the earliest gigs we played we didn't even have a name. We went through the Irish names. We were called the Craic Dealers at one point, but it doesn't really work on the phone. (Laughs). We turned up at this gig anyway, we didn't even have any gear of our own, we had to borrow a guitar, a fiddle or whatever. We were like "Right! Where's the girls?" type thing. "Where's de biddies?" (Laughs), and there was this guy from Galway or somewhere and he was going, "Jesus! You've a neck like a jockeys' bollocks you lot, turning up here with nothing but a thirst and a bugle!"( Leeson then has to explain to me that a 'bugle' is a Dublin expression for an erection :- / LR) One of the lads was a bit too excited at meeting girls. (Laughs). So, that’s the name....Neck! Plus we liked to neck a few pints as well, so that's where the name came from.
Lorraine - Neck are known as 'Psycho-Ceilidh Rockers' (pronounced kay-lee). What exactly does that mean?
Leeson -Psycho-Ceilidh is actually a Shane McGowan invention. Basically I was bought in to play punk guitar in Shanes' band and he had this thing, psycho-ceilidh, which is like psychobilly, but the Irish version. So psychobilly, you got rockabilly with punk, so psycho-ceilidh became the same thing with Irish dance music. Ceilidh is Irish dance music, so pyscho-ceilidh is punk and Irish dance music. Hence you have a punk backing band. I got a whiteLes Paul like Steve Jones and Mick Jones, good guitar sound, but also the trad section, fiddle, whistle and banjo and occasionally Uilleann pipes = Psycho-Ceilidh!
Lorraine - So now we have the names, tell us more about the story of Neck and how the band was formed.
Leeson -The main guy I formed the band with, Gavin, the band I was in at the time when I joined The Popes was fizzling out at the time and we supported Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine a lot in the bands I'd been in at the time, in fact so much so I got name checked on the 30 Something album and everything, and they used backing tapes. I got fed up with being in bands with people as the worst problem with bands is the people in them, so I thought "Fuck that!", so I went out with backing tapes for a little while and I supported Jayne County down The Amersham Arms in New Cross and this Irish kid came up and wanted to buy a single off me. He only had 50p. He got on my mailing list and came to see us play again. He played in a band himself and I went to see them. He was a bass player, he had a lot of attitude, he was fucking great you know. Then we got talking and became friends. He had a mate, a guy called Pete Doherty as it goes, but this guy was from Strabane who had hair down his back and leather jackets. He played hurling for Tyrone but was in a hardcore band, Raaarrr, toured Germany and all sorts of stuff and we got drunk at The Dukes Head in Highgate one night. We were mates with this band called Compulsion, who were also paddies as well, and I was telling Pete about the idea I had about doing this stuff and I was singing traditional Irish music walking out the pub. Pete’s from Strabane but his mum’s from Galway. When he was 8 or 10 years old his parents caught him popping stones off soldiers’ heads and his parents thought this was going to end badly, so they sent him down to Galway with his uncle every summer holidays. He learned to play hurling down there and learned all these Irish songs from his uncle and to speak a bit of Irish. A few of his mates that stayed in Strabane ended up dead or locked away somewhere, so they did the right thing! He got into punk then hardcore and moved to England and forgot all about Irish music entirely. I started singing these songs he’d forgotten about that his uncle used to sing to him and it just woke something up in him and we thought about this. I was playing on the Traditional Irish circuit anyway at the time and I could play banjo too. I played banjo with The Popes as well as guitar. I played whistle originally as well, but a guy called Colm O’Maonlai who is Liam O’Maonlais’ brother out of Hothouse Flowers came in and played it properly. He was actually in Eastenders, he played Tom the fireman, Sharons’ husband who was killed. A really, really colourful character in real life, the last time I saw him he’d shagged one of Shanes’ girlfriends friends while he wore the dress and she wasn’t and he had lipstick on, the whole lot! Just for the hell of it! (Laughs). He was definitely very much a bloke, just a bit out there. But yeah, as I was playing the traditional circuit I played banjo with The Popes, so I had one foot in the traditional circuit and one foot in the punk thing. Just by chance I had a mate I used to be in a band with, Riaz, and he had a flatmate Helen. I didn’t know at the time she was Irish at all and played the fiddle. Eventually I found she played fiddle and was Irish, second generation Irish like myself rather. I can’t remember how she got involved but we talked her into it anyway and I was playing sessions with her, a whistle player whose folks were from Cork, he joined the band, and Gavins’ mate from Waterford played drums originally. That was the original line up. We were all Irish. We got stopped by the police a lot at that time. It was before the ceasefire.
Lorraine - All Irish or ‘Plastic Paddies’? I only ask after seeing your ‘Plastic and Proud’ poster.
Leeson -Well, three people were born in Ireland, the rest of us were ‘plastic paddies’. We got pulled over once by the police at Kings Cross after rehearsal. In the 90s there was still a lot of bombings going on and they had the whole band up against the fucking wall with the red dots on the backs of our heads of our head, even Helen, even the girl. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like growing up in Belfast or Derry, do you know what I mean, we had it easy compared to those guys, but you don’t expect that over here. We got stopped a lot by the police. Now it’s black people who get stopped by the police, but we got stopped a lot, just having an Irish name and a white transit van.
Lorraine - Loaded with an arsenal and a rocket launcher aimed at No10!(Laughs)
Leeson -One of the guys in The Popes, Mo O’Hagan from Omagh, he was in Neck originally, he was the rhythm guitar player in The Popes who I shared a room with in Dublin for quite a while. We’ve got this song that’s based on him called ‘Ferry Fare’. We actually played at his memorial mass as well in Camden, he died, fucking drugs, you know what I mean. It was a great honour. His brother Sean O’Hagan is a very famous journalist over here, works for The Observer, and he asked us to play at his memorial mass which is something I’ll never forget. Mo was gas! He knew a bloke who once held up one of the banks in Holloway Road with a rolled up copy of the Irish Post. (Laughs).
Lorraine - We wander off in conversation and Leeson warns me that this happens a lot, so...back to the interview!
Leeson -So..... we had the traditional thing and the punk thing going on! Going back to the ‘Plastic Paddy’ thing as well, you get a lot of stick back home, there’s bands in Ireland that give us a lot of stick for being ‘Plastic Paddies’, but people don’t actually realise what it was like to grow up in the U.K. being Irish in the 70s’ and 80s’. It wasn’t very easy at all, even things like they had that show ‘The Comedians’ packed with Irish jokes. That was your family, everyone, your mum, your dad, your gran, you’re all thick! I think, basically, the reason people think that they’re thick is because Irish people talk in dialect called Hiberno English. A lot of the time they construct sentences like they would in Gaelic and there’s no verb ‘to have’ in Irish, so if they say “Ah Jesus, there’s a terrible thirst on me”, ‘cause you wouldn’t say “I have a terrible thirst”, it’s like French, in Irish you say ‘the table brown’, so it’s constructed differently and people think we’re thick because we don’t talk like they do, but we talk differently, the same way Geordies or Scousers do, but because we’re not English we’re thick! But again, when people turn around and call me a ‘plastic paddy’, my answer is I’d rather be a ‘plastic paddy’ than English. This is not being anti English at all by the way. I obviously really like living here, I’ve obviously got loads of friends who are English and my kids would consider themselves English I would imagine, so I’m not anti English. I’d just rather not be because of the historical relationship between the countries and I’m very proud of that I am. I’ve got an Irish passport and very proud to have that travelling the world playing Irish music.
Lorraine - Your family originate from Dublin, was there a musical history in your family?
Leeson -My grandfather from Carlowe, I inherited his voice. The title track off our first album, ‘Here’s Mud in Your Eye’, is about him. “Here’s muhd in ur oye”, that’s what he talked like. He was 6’4, a stereotypical paddy as well, 6’4, red hair, absolutely fucking huge. What we’d call ‘the fill o’ the door’ you know. He’d fill a doorway. He’d drink a pint down in one go, “Yess”. He died when I was 7 but I remember him really, really clearly you know. He was a huge man in every way, shape and form. He was a Michael Collins man, in the Anglo Irish war, fought against the ‘Black and Tans’. Which I’m very proud of and he fought in the civil war as well, although that was a pretty sad state of affairs I believe. He was a Collins man through and through anyway. I think one of the reasons he left Ireland was that he hated deVelera, who I do also hate as well! I’m thinking of writing as song called ‘deVelera was a cunt’ as it goes. I hate him that much seriously. I think Eammon deVelera was responsible for holding Ireland back so much.
Lorraine - I thought I’d play Devils’ advocate and suggest that deVelera took the non radical route in order to move forward.....ouch!
Leeson -NO, no, I think he was an opportunist gobshite! Where do you want to go with this? Irish politics? Irish history?
(Anywhere but here right now? LR :-O)
Leeson - ….but no, he kept Ireland a backward country for decades. It’s only been in the last 20, 30 years that things have changed thankfully. He shackled the church to the state as well, therefore no-one from the North got to enjoy the freedoms of the British Welfare State or society would want to be part of a United Ireland. Collins had all these ideas to take the country forward which deVelera poo pooed initially but nicked half of them afterwards anyway. He’s a gobshite! He sacrificed Collins like a lamb to the slaughter because he knew he couldn’t get what the country wanted, so rather than go and do his own job as a politician, he sent Collins, the soldier, instead to deal with Lloyd George and Churchill and as he prophesied, ‘sign his own death warrant’.
Lorraine - So Leeson, getting back to the music, what are your earliest musical memories?
Leeson -The Beatles! Apparently peoples earliest memories of me are in my nan and grandads’ back yard singing ‘Yeah, Yeah, Yeah’. I can’t remember that. I had a little red plastic banjo, I remember that. I couldn’t play the bloody thing, I was only a nipper. It melted in the fire I think; I poked it in the fire. “Oh look what happened, Jesus, it’s melted” (Laughs). My grandfather, going back to a musical history in the family, my aunty told me that I’ve inherited his voice when I sing and my mam sang as well and did amateur dramatics, that kind of thing, but when I sing I’ve got his voice apparently, which is incredible!
Lorraine - Do you remember where you first sang?
Leeson -School I suppose. The earliest I can remember apart from the usual school shit about choirs and stuff, when I was about 8 years old and we did ‘a gig’ in the class and we couldn’t play anything. We had guitars but we couldn’t play them. My brother played the space hopper! I think we did something like ‘Sugar Sugar’ by The Archies, ‘cause I’m an old git, you know what I mean. I think that’s what we did and that was the first gig we ever did. We just did one song obviously and we didn’t play anything, we just sang and pretended to play the guitars.
Lorraine - Well I’ve seen you play the guitar behind your head; do you really know what you’re doing?
Leeson -I do now yeah (laughs), yeah, I can play it now. After that my first proper gig was at senior school. My best mate in school, we formed our first band together, he became a pop star in a band called Soho. They had a one hit wonder all around the world called ‘Hippy Chick’. I’m in the video actually as it goes. I had no front teeth at the time at all. I had this T-shirt with this ‘No Hippies’ road sign on it as I used to make T-shirts and shit.
Lorraine - How old were you then?
Leeson -Oh 12 (laughs). I had this T-shirt with a hippy, but you know the road signs with the red circle with a bar through it, with a hippy in the background. At the end, at the very last shot, ‘cause the video director hated me ‘cause I was drunk and acting the bollocks...
Lorraine - At 12?
Leeson -Of-course, yeah (laughs). Basically it was all the old Bull and Gate scene in KentishTown. The guy that worked on the door and was stage manager was Gem Archer out of Oasis now, so he’s in it as well, amongst other people. Right at the end anyway, he’s panning the room with people dancing to this song...yeah, yeah, yeah..YEAHHH ..me at the camera with no fucking teeth! (Laughs). So, we did our first gig at about 15. We did three songs. We actually were a proper band with drums and guitars and everything. I’ve still got a tape at home somewhere of the first song we ever got together, just to remind me of how shit we were, so if I ever get big headed I can remember where we started off, ‘cause it’s fucking awful!
Lorraine - What did Punk mean to you when it first came out?
Leeson -It changed everything! I lived in Hemel Hampstead at the time, so had Dave Vanian there, John McKay, the Banshees guitarist, and next town along, St. Albans, had Chris Dean the bass player from X Ray Spex and up the road in Luton, a bit later on, UK Decay. I was the first punk in my school though.
Lorraine - I was in mine, in my convent school, they didn’t know what to do with me.
Leeson -Same here. My mam gave me money to get my hair cut but I cut it myself and put on Pretty Vacant. I cut it really short. I never had long hair anyway, just kind of shoulder length.
Lorraine - You only had to cut your hair short to be different then....
Leeson -It was ours, it was no-one elses, it was ours! Punk had its own smell and everything. It was like year zero, you had to relearn listening to stuff. I heard The Clash first time and thought “What the fuck’s this?!”, then second time around it was “ Yeah, this is fucking amazing!”. I saw The Clash on the White Riot tour and to this day it’s still the best gig I’ve ever seen in my fucking life. St. AlbansCity Hall, Cup Final day ’77. There was a riot outside with the punks that couldn’t get in, with the police. There was a riot inside the gig as well. Me and my mate Tim were first in the queue to get in. We were right down the front the whole way through. We had Don Letts playing dub reggae between the bands, so to this day you can’t have punk without dub reggae as far as I’m concerned. The Clash were so important for doing that. If The Clash did anything it was that multicultural thing, bringing that into it. It’s like when The Pistols played in ’96 and what was wrong was between the bands they were playing Punk and Punk bands. Bizarrely this little black girl got on my shoulders during the gig and afterwards goes “Do ya fancy going for a drink?”. “ OK”, and we went to a dub reggae club, so yeah, I was sorted. The Clash, I think they politicised a generation. I could be wrong about that, but I think they did. Victoria Park, I never forget Tom Robinson Band headlined, but so what! Ok, the TRB were quite political but you got to bear in mind a lot of people who became quite high up in the trade unions were there in the audience, people like Billy Bragg as well. We’ve played with Billy Bragg a few times now, I’ve talked to him quite a few times about that ‘cause he’s a big Clash fan himself. Geoff Martin, who put out our anti-racist single, in fact that was inspired by The Clash.
Lorraine -....and that anti-racist single is...
Leeson -Everybody’s Welcome To The Hooley, which got into the charts believe it or not, which is amazing, but Geoff Martin put that out and he’s in the trade unions and his oppo, Al Miles was also in the trade unions as a fire fighter. In fact during the bombings in London he was one of the first down the tubes to rescue people. I’ll come back to ‘Hooley’ in a minute, but coming back to the punk thing, writing that song wouldn’t have happened without The Clash. I’m very passionate about the music, very passionate indeed. That’s why I play punk rock and Irish music, ‘cause I fucking love punk rock, I’m very passionate about punk rock and I fucking love Irish music, I’m very passionate about that and something happens when you out then
Lorraine - How would you describe the sound produced by Neck?
Leeson -The sound in Fr. Jacks’ head! (Laughs). If people don’t know much about Irish music, probably the best way to describe it would be The Clash playing with The Pogues. That’s a pretty good way to describe it. I mean people have used that description before. One of our press cuttings says ‘If The Clash had been born in the Emerald Isle they might have ended up sounding like this!’ which I’m happy about, that’s grand. I’m very happy with that to be honest with ya. We didn’t mean to sound like that; we just did what we did. I hear Irish songs differently to the way people normally do them. We don’t sound like The Pogues, there’s no point in doing that.
Lorraine - The comparisons to The Pogues must be one you either love or hate?
Leeson -Thing is, I wouldn’t be sitting here talking to you now if it wasn’t for Shane McGowan or Joe Strummer.
Lorraine - You played with Shane McGowan in The Popes in the early 90s’, did you get on well, did you have a craic? J
Leeson -I didn’t have crack with him. The rest of the band did! (Laughs). I had THE craic. He’s a fully rounded human being like everyone else. He has his good days and his bad days. He can be really, really funny, really, really loyal and he can be a bollocks as well, depending on what mood he’s in and whether we’re in public or not. But things like when we were down in Tipperary for two weeks, where he’s from, everywhere you go people want him to sing and he doesn’t want to sing all the fucking time, so as I sang.... “Leeson, sing a fucking song would ya khee khee khee”. Of-course I don’t know Tipperary songs, I know Dublin songs, that’s where my family’s from, so I was singing Dublin songs. So we were in a bar once and he’d had a drink with the local lads.... “Aren’t you the fucking bollocks singing fucking Dublin songs in the fucking country now!”.. in a very strange Cork/Kerry accent as it goes. (Laughs), but he goes “No, you’re a fucking bollocks right. Leeson’s from fucking Dublin right, so if he wants to sing fucking Dublin songs he fucking can right! Khee khee khee”. He doesn’t laugh like that after every sentence by the way, but he does say you know what I mean a lot. With things like we weren’t allowed to shave for three days before we played a festival in Ireland, I was saying “Shane, I look like a fucking knacker”, he goes, “Leeson, you always look like a fucking knacker. Khee khee khee”. He paid me one of the biggest compliments ever paid me in fact. Actually it was the night he introduced me to Joe Strummer as it goes, which was fucking amazing, it was fucking brilliant! He actually said “Joe, this is my guitar player Leeson, he plays like Jimi Hendrix”, which I don’t but it was nice of him to say it. I think it’s the guitar behind the head thing you know.
Lorraine - You haven’t set it alight yet?
Leeson -No, no, no, can’t afford to. I don’t treat them very well. I do bash them about a bit. I’m not one of those guitar players, it’s not a museum piece, it’s punk you know, you hit the bloody things, you know what I mean. Paul Simenon used to take a hammer to his basses, as soon as he got them he got the hammer out, ‘bang, bang, it’s alright now, it’ll work’. (Laughs). Alright Paul, fair enough!
Going back to the punk thing, it pretty much changed my life, it did! I’ve still got the same haircut pretty much now I had then. I couldn’t have a mohawk anymore as it goes though, that wouldn’t work anymore.
Lorraine - You’ve still got hair though J
Leeson -That’s true, yeah, that’s very true. It was great because Tim came to see us supporting Shane at The Forum, Tim from Soho, my best mate from school. The best thing about that was ‘cause the punk thing was about anger, it was about politics, and a laugh as well obviously and being rude and shocking people and all that bollocks, but it was about being angry and politics and social comment and the best thing about that was, he actually said he was just so proud that I was still doing that with Neck. Even though at the same time it’s fun music, we played ‘Back Home in Derry’, we played a song called ‘Blood in the Streets’ about Portadown, about Robert Hamill, so that anger’s still there, that social commentary’s still there ya know and he was so chuffed that it was. Even with Soho, even though they were pop songs, it was still social comment with Soho, it’s the punk thing. A lot of people that started out liking punk, but went in different directions, dance music, whatever, it’s in their attitude towards things you know, it’s the way they do things, a lot of the time more subtle than punk was, but they were still trying to pull things apart and make a point.
I was the first punk in my school. I went to school in a dustbin liner and a chain from my nose to my ear, sent home of-course. My mam went spare when I cut my hair. When I got my O level results I just wanted to be in a band, I didn’t want to do anything else. My aunty, Aunt Laura, was the top fashion model in Ireland in the 60s’ and even though it was fashion, weren’t glamour it was fashion, but in Ireland in the 60s’ it was like getting your tits out. I had a conversation with her which I never forgot. She said you have to live life for yourself, not anybody else. You do what you want with your life, chest out, chin up and spit it back, whatever life throws at you that’s what you do, that’s the O’Keefe way. That’s in the song ‘Here’s Mud inYour Eye’. I wanted to be in a band, I didn’t want to do anything else. I got my exam results and my mam was so upset she was smashing up my guitar, but unfortunately it wasn’t my guitar, it was our next door neighbours guitar who was in a band in the 60s, mine was being fixed at the time. Irish temper, Irish mammy...”That f****ing music”....”Mum, mum, that’s not my guitar”....”Shite!”. She got it fixed for yer man.
Lorraine - The band is quoted as ‘being about the spirit’, how would you describe your attitude to life?
Leeson -HHmm, good question. I’m a kind of ‘go with the cold flow type of guy’
Lorraine - What?
Leeson -Go with the cold flow, as in Guinness (laughs). I always wear my heart on my sleeve for better or worse, always have. I can’t help that, it’s who I am. I think I’ve always tried to be in music. I’ve lost a lot in my life. At one point in my life I lost everything and all I had left was my music, that’s all I had. It kept me going. I wouldn’t want to be anything else; it’s about being true to yourself. I think you have to be true to yourself and it’s not easy sometimes ‘cause sometimes what you are isn’t what you want to be and sometimes what you are you can’t help, in a good way or a bad way. Some people live a lie. Other people....like something can happen without even knowing it’s gonna happen. Like I say, I’m a ‘plastic paddy’, I was born over here. The first time me mam took me home to Ireland I was quite old. My mam didn’t think we’d like it. We used to go on holiday to west Wales, the very tip of west Wales. On a good day you could see Ireland, it would remind her of Ireland but she wouldn’t take us home, she didn’t think we’d like it.
Lorraine - Why not?
Leeson -I have no idea. It was mad, I dunno. I think because her life was so much better to her here than it was over there and she remembered it as being this run down, dirty, backward place I s’pose. I don’t know, I’m guessing here, I really don’t know, that’s the only thing I can think of. The mad thing was, when we went back to Ireland, me and my brother, we were just going to see our cousins with funny names, that’s all it was. It was no big deal at all, no preconceptions, but we got the ferrycomingin to DublinBayand the sun was coming up and fucking hell man.......I’d never experienced anything like that in my entire life before. It was like being hit by a thunderbolt that I was going home. I wasn’t expecting it either.
Lorraine - Where do you feel home is?
Lorraine - Or are you torn?
Leeson -I am torn. I wasn’t brought up in Dublin. I know my way around London a lot better than I know Dublin and I like where I live in London. It’s a good area. The best thing about living around here it’s traditionally a big Irish area so I feel very much at home. This is my local pub, I live five minutes from here and they look after me. Certain nights the guitar comes out and I don’t pay for a drink all night.
Lorraine - Do you still play on the traditional Irish circuit outside of Neck?
Leeson -Yeah, I have done since playing in Shanes’ band, that’s 15 years ago, so I’ve been playing traditional Irish music for 15 years. I love playing trad sessions. The traditional Irish session, which started in London, it didn’t start in Ireland, it started in Kentish Town in the 1940s’ ‘cause Irish immigrants came over here and they couldn’t play at home because they were in digs, so they started playing in the pubs in North London, in Kentish Town, Camden, Holloway, all around this area. It’s where it started, so I’m really proud to be part of that tradition and carrying it on.
Lorraine - Your heart and soul are certainly in the music, had you not had the music do you think you would be a different person?
Leeson -I can’t imagine it, I can’t imagine it, I just can’t imagine it. I found my niche in life; do you know what I mean? I am so lucky I found my niche in life. I feel really, really at home!
Indeed I knew what he meant! Leeson and I carried on talking for many an hour about our local area, his love of reggae and much more. A passionate and open hearted man who truly wears his heart on his sleeve, I would like to thank Leeson for his openness and the introduction to Jagermeister J